Election Day

Fuck Obama. God damnit.

I cursed a lot and played some Smash to blow off steam, but that went the other way when I couldn't keep attention to the game and continued to lose even when I'd destroy them for the full match only for a capsule to explode or a bomb appear right I'm charging a Side-Smash.

I've since taken a walk and have calmed but I'm far from happy.

Abnormal Freak wrote:

I hope Prop 8 DOES get passed, because marriage ought not to be redefined. It's something sacred, not to be blasphemed by something the Bible calls abominable.

I stand by the Bible's statement that homosexuality is a grave sin and is unnatural, and that marriage is something bestowed upon us by God. It's also beautiful in the sense that it symbolizes the relationship between Christ and the Church.

I'm fine if there's some kind of state-recognized form of gay unionship, but it ought not to be marriage. Most secularists don't even think marriage is of much importance anyway, so what do they care? Seems to me they just want to spit in the faces of those who wish to keep marriage defined as a union between one man and one woman, because Christians are stupid and so wrapped up in their old ways or something. Fine, they can think of me as they will, but I stand by my beliefs.

I agree with this. The only thing numerous gay couples have are the desire to have the same rights legally as married couples (allowed medical visits and property) but stuff like that can be easily applied to Legal Unions. Marriage is a defined term that has a sacred meaning to it and I'm tired of people wanting to change it.

I voted Obama, lolol


I also really, really hope that Prop 8 does not pass.

Why?

I just sent a message to my old roommate asking him how he felt about prop 8. I will post his repsonse whenever I get one.

I don't feel like saying why, because I don't want to get into a huge debate regarding why I voted Obama. I'm nowhere near enough into politics to be able to explain in a satisfactory manner why I chose Obama over McCain, so I'm not gonna bother trying. Basically, from what I had heard and read about the two candidates, I agreed more with Obama on various issues than I did McCain. I'll just leave it at that.

Not Obama. The gay marriage stuff.

Florida has a similar thing being voted, and I only voted against it just because part of the bill would also make way for the banning of civil unions. If it was just banning gay marraige, I'd vote for it.

Oh, that. I voted no on Prop 8 because I'm not religious, and therefore it's not even a concern to me if gay marriage is against any religious beliefs or not. It's not like allowing gay marriage would force straight people to have gay marriages. There's plenty of meat that's not kosher, but that doesn't force Jewish people to eat it. Besides, gay marriage wouldn't hurt anyone, and it has an actual role in politics since married couples receive privileges that non-married couples don't. Making a decision that has a direct impact on law based on religious reasons is something I'm against.

I'm also for civil unions, but since people say they're supposed to be the same as marriage, except with a different name, that doesn't make me feel like supporting gay marriage any less.

But... marriage is a religious institute. Homosexuality is against religion. That means gay marriage is completely contradictory.

Marriage is recognized by law, and gives married couples extra benefits because of it. I don't care about marriage in the religious sense; I care about it in the political sense.

Yeah... they can get all those rights legally. They're just being assholes.

"I don't give a fuck about your values but you damn better well give me all your rights I care nothing about!"

Can they? To my knowledge, gay civil unions aren't allowed in every state.

They should be allowed their civil unions... but not marriage.

I'm for either and/or both.

Do you not understand that gay marriage isn't right in anyway?

I'm against gay marriage for more reasons than strictly religious. Obviously religious reasons are the main ones, but I'm also against government supporting and giving benefits to a gay union. Why? Because gay marriage does not promote growth. It's been proven that in order for a child to grow up healthy they need both a father and a mother raising them. The two sexes are so fundamentally different that when they come together, they offer positive things that can't be found in a same-sex relationship.

Plus gay couples obviously can't even create children. And sure, there's adoption, but I'd rather have a child go to a gay couple as a near-last-resort sort of thing; in short, I'd rather see a child go to a gay couple than to be stuck in a foster home, but I'd MUCH MUCH MUCH rather that child be put in the proper care of a married heterosexual couple.

So, again, I'm all for a form of state-recognized gay union, but it should not be something that government pushes or supports on the same level as (heterosexual) marriage. Their union WOULD be lesser, but it's still something.

Loxxikus wrote:

Do you not understand that gay marriage isn't right in anyway?

No, I don't understand that.

What Lox is saying is that marriage was a thing ordained by God, and yet gays are trying to change it to include something that that very same God called an abomination.

Going from something sacred to unholy.

Makes sense to me. Even though I don't think Lox believes in God. But still.

Like I said though, I'm talking about marriage in the political sense. I don't care about its religious significance.

But there's no such thing as marriage in strictly a political sense since religion has always had ties to it. Plus, most marriages happen in a church, with a priest/pastor/whoever uniting the two.

Plus, if you want to talk law, marriage has always been defined in this country as a union between man and woman.

You just want to dress in a bride's gown and marry some dude and have a peener lovingly squeezed betwixt your cheeks night after night. :o It's all a part of your desires to cross-dress; your desires to be WOMAN.

:)

This whole system pisses me off.

Ab, I'm not just supporting it for myself If someday I decide I want to marry a guy, then that would be great. There's a good chance that this won't directly affect me though, but it's still a prop that I don't want passed.

You can be the same thing as married without the title. You can still get all the benefits.

I do believe in God, Ab. I just don't worship God or anything like that. I just don't like the fact that gays are mad because they're not included in something they don't believe in. All they want is a freaking title. A title that belongs to something they don't believe in. I'm all for gays being together and having the rights as married couples. That's what this civil union stuff is for. It just seems like they're not smart enough to realize marriage is a religious thing... they don't seem to understand they can have the exact same thing only it's called something else for people who aren't religious.

I could say a lot, but I'm only going to respond to one thing, as I'm trying to get read for school--and this is not helping me with my time!!

Ab said that gay people should ONLY be last resorts because it's a proven fact that a married man and woman is better for children..... It's also a proven fact that many, many biological, hetero, married couples FUCK UP THEIR CHILDREN BEYOND BELIEF.

I'd much rather have had 2 mothers than my mom and the bastard I'm stuck with.

There are plenty of messed up hetero couples, true, though just because two people are gay doesn't make the chances of that couple being totally messed up somehow less likely.

Most people aren't fit to be parents anyway, gay or straight.

What I meant is that a child in a HEALTHY family will grow up well with both a mom and a dad.